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Ready to match stain systems?6/2
I was wondering if anyone could comment on a ready to match stain system that is water based? I have looked at the General Finishes system as well as the CNA stains made by ICA. I知 sure there are others.
These systems promise the ability to fairly easily replicate any color.
I知 interested in potentially investing in something like this, as staining seems to be my biggest hurdle, on my slow crawl up the finishing learning curve. I知 getting better at spraying dyes and toners, but I知 still basically powerless to actually match a color. Plus, I live in an area where the only stain matches I could get locally would be oil based wiping stains.
I知 particularly intrigued with the ICA system, as it looks like it would give good results on maple.
Any thoughts or recommendations would be appreciated.
I have started messing with an RTM system from Eco Steps coatings out of California. it's called the intermix system. Been happy so far and the guys have been very helpful. I haven't put it into full production just yet though, just on smaller one off projects. YouTube has some videos from them as well.
Ilva has a great product. Huge company, Italian, poor distribution here in the US
I have the RTM, FROM general finishes, I had bought it for the same reasons as you. It is great to show customers, they love it, more than likely they will be able to find a color. It only consists of ten colors, to be able to make multiple stain colors. The only thing is its water based so you know its a little harder to work with than the solvent based stain and you can quickly alter the color if your not consistent in your application, I have mixed feelings about it. The good news is it definitely works well for the formula mix ups.
My other reservation is bottom line maple blotches. If your not worried about , no worries but if you are then you have all kinds of new issues, Last job I did, I used Charles Neil blotch control, amazing stuff, works awesome, but it changes or lightens up your color so your back in the same boat, I mixed it myself and by an act of God I got it close to the color they picked. I can't have maple blotch on me so besides having stain samples for the customers it is kinda irrelevant because it alters the color with the blotch control. So now I'm doing a spray no wipe stain, solvent based, and have my Sherwinn Williams chemical coating place match it, having a rep come out was a big game changer for me, he actually knows what he's talking about. So I'll use the samples have the customer choose, then take it to Sherwinn Williams and have them match it. What a nightmare , lol, but this is where my journey has brought me.
What we need is a color match systeam with solvent dye stains. Yes the underlying color of the wood we choose will change the results. But if we have the foundational formula it helps because we are so much closer to the final match. The solvent can be used with easyer blotch control and no grain raise. Also the solvent stain will (touchup, refinish) bite in(better adheasion) on solvent lacquers. Where as the water based just sits on top...... Not even giant Ilva has that.....
The skill of color matching.......