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Color matching with various stains

9/30/16       
Eric Member

I am a professional finisher in both conmercial and residential casework and millwork..

I currently use Sherwins SB wiping stains..
But I also have a full line of Mohawk Ultra Penetrating stains, as well as Sherwins Universal Dyes..

I tend to keep Sheffield oils as well to use in tangent with certain recipes

To color match with SB stains, I use a chip to compare, look the recipie up and adj color for exact match. Pretty simple and fairly fast..
The SB stains have the Umbers and Sienna in raw and burnt..

How can I mix these colors using universal dyes. Or Mohawks Ultra Pens?

Raw umber

Burnt umber

Raw sienna

Burnt sienna

I have a horrible time hitting these colors from primaries and kicker colors

9/30/16       #3: Color matching with various stains ...
Eric Member

I know that Mohawks Ultra Pen ( Ngr ) has these colors.

I am very interested in mixing these colors from primaries

9/30/16       #4: Color matching with various stains ...
Leland Thomasset  Member

Website: http://www.cnc-cabinetparts.com

I do feel your pain. I have used all of the above. Lately I have been working with Gemini coatings to start using their stain matching system that comes complete with base, formulas, calibrating tools and chips. It is suppose to be repeatable from a couple ounces to a couple gallons. I will keep you posted.

10/2/16       #5: Color matching with various stains ...
Eric Member

I wish someone would chime in..I have a need of using some unis on an upcoming job..

Being able to hit all umbers and Sienna's with theses would help.

I know:

The yellow/ brown, red brown/ green brown and blue brown are the base colors for all the umbers and Sienna's..but there has to be more as these alone just don't make it

Please help

10/2/16       #6: Color matching with various stains ...
DanShaf Member

I'm not fully sure what you're asking but I am hopeful that this brilliant writeup by Mac Simmons will either help or fully steer you in your needed direction.

Are you trying to create colored dyes that when sprayed out on glass or a white surface are raw umber, burtnt umber, raw sienne, burnt sienne?

Make sure that your white base is not titanium white. Rather, use zinc white. Zinc white has much less tinting strength (it lacks hiding power and opacity versus titanium white). It's said to be a "transparent" white.

Why aren't the Mohawk Ultra Penetrating Stains which are dye stains mixed upo according to their coloring charts what you need?

"Tinting Toner Tips" by Mac Simmons

10/2/16       #7: Color matching with various stains ...
DanShaf Member

And this, also from Mac Simmons

"Color Matchting Tips" from Mac Simmons

10/2/16       #8: Color matching with various stains ...
Eric Member

What I am trying do is make all the umbers and Sienna's using universal days..sherwins colors only come in magenta.red, brown, black, yellow, orange and blue..

I can't ever get the recipe right to mimick these colors..

Mohawk has these premade..and I do have em..but I would like to know if anyone has ever success fully made them from primary colors..

I understand that grain color is a big modifier in how a color will look after mixed.
But let's just say a pale maple or white oak

TBH I just want to know what makes up each color..

To ask an artist..he'll give you 7 different colors in each..

I am working on my color mixing abilities and would like to be able to make these from sherwins universal dyes..

T

10/2/16       #9: Color matching with various stains ...
DanShaf Member

Mac's "Color Matching" essay is the best there is on this subject. It seems to me that he hones in on exactly that holy grail of color blending that you're looking for.

10/24/16       #10: Color matching with various stains ...
francis

the umbers are pigment! and if i understand your question, you would like to match those umber colour with dye, you can't match pigment colour with dye they are completly different. you need to get some pigment chromaflo 866 or 844 or mohak have their line of pigment as well.

Pigment

10/24/16       #11: Color matching with various stains ...
Eric

I use 844's and Phoenix colorants to mix my CVs with.

There has to be a formula that allows one to use an analine type stain and get close to the umber and Sienna's

And would never use them in a stain..

it's ok, I get close enough with all I use, just wanted to pick brain and see what's responses I get.
I mix all my own stains and pigments. And try to challenge myself as much as possible

2/17/22       #12: Color matching with various stains ...
Daniel Shafner Member

Get the book "Blue and Yellow Don't Make Green". After you read it, you'll have a better understanding of the world of coloring and pigments.

9/7/22       #13: Color matching with various stains ...
joseadam Member

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Just bring a sample piece to customize. Please note that the stain may look different on different woods. So when trimming walgreenslistens

12/30/23       #17: Color matching with various stains ...
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