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Clearance to tip a unit in place

8/5/15       
Jerry Cunningham

Forgive me if this is a rookie question, I've just never have run into this situation yet. A customer wants a floor to ceiling bookcase, and asked how much shorter than the ceiling the case would have to be made so it could be "tipped" into place?

Thank you,
Jerry

8/5/15       #2: Clearance to tip a unit in place ...
D Brown

Jerry , thats not going to happen.
For a floor to ceiling fit there are several options one being use a loose toe kick that goes down first .
Measure the side of the cabinet diagonally
from one corner to the other , that dimension needs to be shorter than the ceilng and will tell you how tall to make the toe.Or you could make the bookcase in two stacking sections .

8/5/15       #3: Clearance to tip a unit in place ...
Jerry Cunningham

Thank you! If the case was an inch or two shorter than the ceiling would it be able to tip into place? The customer was planning on adding crown to the top and that would conceal the gap.

Jerry

8/5/15       #4: Clearance to tip a unit in place ...
D Brown

Prolly not , so if the cabinet is 12" deep and
89" tall looking at that rectangle take the diagonal measurement from corner to corner on a template or bench or floor or sheet of plywood and what you will find is that it is larger than 89 " so ,,, determine the actual ceilng ht, minus a bit of clearance depending on the situation .Say it is 91" decide what ht toe kick or flush platform you will need and you will know how tall you can make the cabinet.

8/5/15       #5: Clearance to tip a unit in place ...
David R Sochar Member

Website: http://www.acornwoodworks.com

D Brown has it right. I have drawn the piece to scale on paper and then can measure the diagonal to see what is needed in loose toe and/or loose cornice. Add in the ceiling/floor lines and you can 'swing' it up to see if it will work.

You can also use the Pythagorean formula to determine the diagonal.

Don't forget to measure the rest of the area to make sure it will go into the room! Don't ask how I know......

8/5/15       #6: Clearance to tip a unit in place ...
D Brown

David , I have used plan " B " several times

not beacuse of too tall but just would not fit into the room in one piece .
We live and learn .

moral : don't try to put a large unit in a small room.

Get that chainsaw out

8/5/15       #7: Clearance to tip a unit in place ...
Bruce H

I build a euro box using comformat screws. We cut them about a 1/2" short of the ceiling and assemble them in place standing vertical. Not a big deal as we take most large cabinets into the house in pieces anyway. I want to watch the guy trying to get it out in the future.

8/5/15       #8: Clearance to tip a unit in place ...
John Member

Yes, the pythagrean theorem is what you need for design purposes. That is:

a^2 + b^2 = c^2

So, if the base of your cabinet is 18" deep and the ceiling is 93" above the floor, the max. height of your cabinet is limited to:

18^2 + b^2 = 93^2

b^2 = 8649 - 324

b = sq root 8325

b = 91.24"

John

8/10/15       #9: Clearance to tip a unit in place ...
B

There is a pythagorean calculator on the web. Just google it. Works wonders!

We do lot's of cabinetry to the ceiling and just use a "toe box" or "riser." It is simply a box that sits on the floor so that tall cabinets fit properly. It can later be trimmed, etc.

8/25/15       #10: Clearance to tip a unit in place ...
mike

If the sides are hidden by a wall or even just baseboard you can cut a corner off the back toe area to set it up but you still need to check. I recently did this for a 93" x 24deep taller in a 96h house. I also typically use a 2pc crown. I like building a flush toe when I use base board so the separate toe does not usually work for me, but is probably the easiest .

8/27/15       #11: Clearance to tip a unit in place ...
joiner Member

Wow that's a lot of math! I may have missed this method somewhere in the responses, so forgive me if I dId.
If the unit is solid and the toe deck is integral, The dimension that is a go or no go for tipping up and clearing the ceiling is the diagonal distance from bottom to top of the narrowest of the width or depth of the unit.

8/27/15       #12: Clearance to tip a unit in place ...
Sea444

Finally, a chance to actually use high school geometry. If only I could find a use for 4 semesters of French.


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