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How crooked is to too much4/8
Where working on a extension brand new .We measured no drywall yet .Now we install the room is 1 inch out it drops less than a ft the other end rises more than a 1 inch did I mention wall out an 1 also
This is hidden problems sometimes you need the work and your not being tough enough
How do you protect yourself from this ?
On site measuring and observation before the job should reveal the majority of what you have to work with before you quote a price to install.Take a level and a transit if need be .You can't change the conditions but you can be aware and prepare for the job so there are fewer surprises .
That is a situation we all face and you have to handle each job individually. We try to do installations on a time and material basis only, but that doesn't really work either. There are usually budgets that you have to live with. It does look like you did a great job and in the final analysis, that is what really matters.
One thing we never do is to point out these imperfections to the owner. We want the owner to come away feeling his job was perfect.
Yep, happens to everyone. Working really old houses on stacked stone foundations is even worse. Plenty of accurate measuring devices on the market to make you fully aware of the situation before you ever touch the table saw. I use wide moldings if I can so the taper is not so evident. I always take strips of 1/2" and 3/4" along with the shim shingles for the big gaps.
What I'm trying to ask I assume on new construction there are tolerances lets say under a 1/2 inch is acceptable over an 1 is considered hidden problems
So the customer is starting to crack how do I protect myself ?
Why is the HO acting as the contractor, unless he IS a contractor? To save money? If so, then he has found out the hard way that he isn't going to.
General Contractors know how to run jobs and smooth problem areas for subs. At least I do.
Thanks for the feed back I have to go back Tuesday
I just had to laugh out loud, not at your predicament, but been there and done that. Homeowners that havn't a clue are the worst. Next time be sure to include a terms of agreement with your contract which spells out the homeowners responsibilities and yours.
There was more work we did I did drag a little only because the counter arrived last week after 7 months .This beeing in a rock and a hard place
I feel your pain, sounds like you got an unknowing fool for a client- for new construction the amounts the walls and floors are out is ridiculous. And even more ridiculous is things won't get better with the trend toward using immigrant- both legal and otherwise- workers won't can't read and write english, let alone follow a set of plans. And their 'contractor' bosses who could give a crap less as they drive away in a BMW with a check in their hand.... but , I'm ranting-
I've started to state in my estimates and contracts that I have an expectation of square, level, plumb and true within 1/8" per 5' (and 20' could be an inch out at that spec)- to build and install. If it's found to be more, the contractor, owner and architect will be notified in writing and advised of extra charges for materials and labor.
Looks like you've done a good job on that install despite conditions, hope you did ok with the pay.
I'm with the others on using a transit- a good one- and a plumb bob (you can't argue with gravity) to check walls in critical areas. It's a war zone out there, be prepared. ;-)
Part of the problem is they installed bath tub before I was finished and crown has 4 pieces
Nice pic of the guy doing his thing with the crown. One of my buddies was doing the same thing. Putting up crown one foot on a ladder the other foot on a marble vanity top.
Crack. He broke the $2000 top. Not a good day.
Unless the contractor who threw you under the bus gives you a lot of work, I'd make them tailgate delivery only from now forward. If he doesn't like it, tell him you just don't have the time to devote to installing his jobs. And try to get a final payment from the client, and politely excuse yourself from the job.
Your work is great. Sorry to hear your having so many troubles.
The workshop is a laboratory, the worksite is a battlefield! Arm yourself with the right weapons. Get a laser distance measurer and a laser level. At your site measure check plumb of all walls. Laser measure top and bottom, front and back of opening. Then you can build joinery allowing for what the walls are doing, (within reason, I know it's not always that simple.) You would have known about this out of plumb and level issue before you started and could have alerted whoever is response to fix it or live with the consequences. Just as we are expected to work within tolerances, we expect a site that allows us to achieve this.
Sorry if this is rude but I think it's relevant. If that is you or one of your guys doing that installation. Ditch the tracksuit pants, get some proper work pants, boots and company branded polos and jumpers. If you look serious about what your doing, you will be taken seriously. If you went to a lawyer and he was sitting behind his desk in running shorts and singlet I don't think you would want him to represent you in court. You want that guy in a sharp as s&#t Italian suit, because that guys gets things done......well. Just because we do dirty work, doesn't mean we can't present ourselves well.
Prevention is better than the cure, you would have been better not doing this job. Make sure you learn the lesson of reading customers, this takes time and getting kicked in the guts a few times. I'm still learning this lesson to this day and always will, but I can now avoid the issues that came up in the early days.
I think the idea someone wrote about site expectations within the contract is great. At best it means you arrive at a clean site with good levels and all things considered, at worst you have a piece of paper to wave in someones face and say call me when the site is ready and you have paid the callout fee.
Cash is King. Your business depends on it. If you are getting mucked around on site AND not getting paid your candle is burning from both ends. Walk off site until your payments are up to date.
If this HO didn't do due diligence on possibly the biggest and most perilous investment in his/her life it's on him. I feel for them, but it's on them.
Thanks for the feed back .The problem with crooked house is safety you have wet snow conditions here lots of weight .Yet the HO is so focused on finishing work that by time cabinet people arrive there there frustrated and take it out on us .Its not like the TV shows.
You are not alone. We are going through this sort of thing on a hospital remodel job. Job is behind schedule, contractor totally gave up on the phases that were in the contracts. Now it is just a scattered mess. There have been 256 change orders so far, luckily not all of them affect our part. Owners are complaining about costs but continue to make changes. Some of our retainage is now out nearly a year!