Desk to Winerack conversion

Listing #358 Listed on: 06/06/2006 Name: Ray Salgado

Company Name: Rays woodworkingI NEED HELP: QUESTION BELOW:
Home Owner wanted a built in desk converted to a wine rack and wine frig. Home Owner did NOT want new granite counters removed.
Had to cut out drawers, build base ,build wind rack box and install. Purchased a new airless sprayer to paint black (Nice).
The wall was very crooked had to slant molding to get a uniform look.
I made the wine grids myself using 1x10 poplar, cuting half depth dados about 4" apart with an index sub-fence, then ripping on the tablesaw.
See Before/After pic below.
NOW FOR THE HELP!
I would like to know if my pricing is in the balpark, what would you charge for this project ? ( This is in So CAL).

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Posted By:Brian Sheldon

Wow, it looks very nice now. The customer stated they wished to NOT have the granite removed, but the two although similar and look to be exactly the same differ in color? Did you put a new top in? As far as price goes, how many hours did you have in it? Many may agree, price is different for everyone; IE: ease of construction, materials used, local market etc. Good job!

Posted By:Ray

No I did not replace the top, it's just the digital pic color. note the wall color is washed out in top pic.
Hours? I did not keep track, but my real question is What would you bid this job at ?? (We can't do the job, then come up with a price based on hours spent)

SPECS: Used poplar to make the grid, one side good 3/4 plywood to make the box (basic nail/glue construction) and the base with a 1x2 oak toe kick.

(Side note: I also added an electrical outlet that was on the opposite side of the wall so the Frig could be plugged in).

Just looking for a range of figures.

Posted By:Fred F

Ray;

If you don't know how long this took you, there is no way to know if you lost or made money.

And yes you can do the job first and then bill the customer. It's called "time and material". Which is what you should have done.

Please......Know your costs, or you may not be in business long.

Posted By:Brian Sheldon

What I meant was, how many hours did it take, you can guess if you want. IMO you should always keep track of your time with everything as it comes in handy if you ever need to reproduce something similar and need to work out a similar time frame without doing all of the math. As far as price, you can either bid and come up with a price including materials and figure that all out ahead of time (IE: board footage of hard lumber, sheet goods, hardware, finishing) or you could just fix an hourly work rate and just bill it and the receipt amount for all the materials as you go along. Which ever you are comfortable with, but like I said, it would be better to know how many hours it took you to determine a price, because some of us may have been able to build it in half the time it took you, while some might have taken a third longer. And that time affects the price in either way of doing it as I explained. Keep track, keep good records, it will help in the end for sure!

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