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sliding shaper advice

8/16/18       
chris

I'm wanting to upgrade the shaper in my shop. I have the room for shaper. I'm leaning towards the SCMI TF130 PS sliding table, but I'm looking for anyone with a slider and opinions on having just 1 shaper, would you buy a slider. Most of the time it will be used without the coping sled attached. Is it easy to take off, does the bed securely lock and rigid enough for putting a power feeding on the machine? I wish I had the room for 2 shapers and the budget for it, however I do not. I'm going to IWF to see what specials I can take advantage of. I'll do cabinet doors, interior/exterior doors with it and numerous other tasks that will not require the slider. Thanks for your input

8/16/18       #2: sliding shaper advice ...
Scott

Chris,
The Scm is a fantastic shaper, the sliding table is a great feature and it locks to make it solid. If you have a sled that you use you could also buy a regular shaper, if you are buying new it doesn't matter, but if buying used there is a lot more selection. Used run from about $2000-$6000 US dollars depending on vintage and model. I would have no troubles buying a used one, the green ones were excellent machines as well and they will last forever if looked after.

8/16/18       #3: sliding shaper advice ...
Geoff Wade

It seems like you are buying new. I would look for a used machine. I have bought several used tools (one is a Casadei 3 phase sliding table shaper) and each time I payed about a third of a new machine. They have all been trouble free.

SCMI is a good choice.

8/16/18       #4: sliding shaper advice ...
chris

Thanks for the input. yes, I'm looking at buying new. I do not have a coping sled heavy enough that I would do large tenons for interior doors, so I thought it would be a good opportunity to buy a slider. I'm curious as to the processs, rather if it's a pain or not to take the coping sled off the slider and then back on so I can use it like a regular shaper, then attach it for coping jobs.
I've looked over the past several months and numerous places for a slider used, and haven't quite found anything I was thrilled about or was close enough to where shipping wouldn't be coast to coast

8/16/18       #5: sliding shaper advice ...
Adam

Its not a pain removing the clamping kit.

On a couple of our sliding shapers over the years we have stopped using the original rig and made a simple plywood one fixed at 90 degrees. 2-4 clamps. We drill & tap the table. Fix the plywood jig with 4 flat head allen cap screws. They self align because of their tapered heads. We can take it on and off while it remains perfectly square.

The single lever clamps do not always work well on the bottom rails of exterior doors.

Making one completely out of plywood and wood easily allows you to switch out backing blocks to prevent blowout.

We will use the original miter clamp for angled stuff.

8/16/18       #6: sliding shaper advice ...
Adam

The sliding tables fix hard and fast. There is no movement. If I had one shaper it would definitely be a minimum of 5 hp and sliding. The tilting features are not worth the money in my experience.

8/17/18       #7: sliding shaper advice ...
Dustin orth

Website: http://customwoodmontrose.com

I have the Extreme Xt-260, a sliding table tilting. I actually use the tilt feature way more than the slider but we don't do passage doors. Just cabinets and millwork, I wouldn't change a thing though in buying this one. Has mechanical DRO's on the tilt and elevation and both fence sections. Only change I would make is adding a pneumatic clamp when I use the slider. Very useful machine for the custom shop, use this as my go to for any custom stuff as all the other shapers are dedicated setups.

8/17/18       #8: sliding shaper advice ...
chris

Thanks again for all the input, The other model I was considering, and will look closely at is the Felder F700Z. I'm just not sure how rigid the aluminum sliding table is, how secure it will lock in place even years down the road with miles of material being slid over it with a power feeder

8/17/18       #9: sliding shaper advice ...
DOM

We have a T27 Martin. Never use the slider. Takes me 3 mins to make a fixture. I run all my ends with the power feeder. Tilt is more important.

8/18/18       #10: sliding shaper advice ...
Jason Yeager

I virtually never post here, and appreciate all the wonderful insight from people that do, but have to put in my .02.
I have a SCMI T130E, way better and more robust IMO than Felder. Mine has digital positioning of the fence and spindle height, once the cut is dialed in we never have to run a test cut, its awesome. Very fast to go from set up to set up, powerful, fence is perfectly coplanar, no snipe. I would buy another in a heartbeat, only gripe is SCMI's digital control is not intuitive, really clunky, but mine is older, 2004, so probably better now.

8/19/18       #11: sliding shaper advice ...
Larry

The SCM is a very good shaper, more robust than the Felder. I don't have a (good) slider and we have several jigging setups instead. I have metal machining capabilities so I make metal adjustable sliding tables and fit them with wood backup blocks that can be easily moved ahead. I have 6 shapers, some left in fixed setups. All but one of them were bought used. I have a Gomad tilt that is a great machine, mechanical readouts that are accurate enough. All but one of the shapers have power feeds. I prefer the 4 wheel feeds so I can have two wheels going in and two coming out.

Very good video. Should be mandatory watching for anyone going to use the shaper.


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