If you could buy an Altendorf Slide saw or a Striebig Panel saw which would you prefer?
I build mostly Face Frame cabinets. I have 2 full time cabinet makers in the shop production side. I build only with 3/4 Pre Finished Maple or Birch plywood, which aren't heavy compared to PB. I'll buy used and my budget is 10k. We go through about 60 sheets per month.
For flat panel processing you can't beat the Striebig. You don't have to pick up the panels, simply slide along the floor and tip onto the rollers. The parts don't move when cutting, the saw carriage does. Try cutting a 12' counter sub top on a slider??? Now do it on the Striebig. It doesn't replace a sliding saw but for cabinet parts is simply faster and easier. (I have both, Striebig and Altendorf in case you are wondering)
I had a SCMI slider several years ago.
I have been running a Striebig vertical for the last 8-10 years.
For breaking down plywood into rectangles I much, much prefer the vertical.
Also if you have employees the vertical is much safer (this from a guy thats taken a trip thru a table saw) as the blade is always retracted or in the material during operation, and was a major factor in considering it's purchase. Kickback is non existent. Accurate, square edges are dead on. Easy to load.
The slider is good for long miters and bevels, but how often does that really need to be performed unless your doing weird commercial fixture work.
Best of luck.
My shop is currently a two man, 2500sq/ft shop. I do all of the cut out. For processing sheet stock, a Striebig can not be beat. I use mine in combination with two cabinet saws. Typically I rip sheets in half for normal width parts for base/wall cabinets, and finish the rip on the cabinet saw. Everything gets dado'd on the other cabinet saw. All of my cross cuts are done on the Striebig. It's fast, it's accurate, no messing with a scoring head since you do a shallow climb cut bringing the carriage up to the cutting position. Plus, you can cut multiple pieces at once. On a Compact, the rack will hold two ¾" pieces, I think the Optisaws could do up to 2¼" worth of parts. When I'm cutting partitions and ends, I do them two at a time
As far safety goes, you really have to be trying to hurt yourself. Though it took a while before I stopped pinching my fingers setting offsets on the rack, but to be fair, I'm an idiot and slow learner.
I cannot say enough good things about my Striebig. It's brilliant and I don't know how a shop could live without one. For how I work, I wouldn't trade it for a slider in any circumstance.
A Striebig takes about 20 minutes a month in cleaning/lubrication to keep in flawless working condition. I've had to adjust it once since it was initially setup. That was because we had a brutal winter, very deep frost, and the floor heaved a bit throwing things out of whack. When I move into my new shop, it will not be set on an exterior wall.
Never owned a vertical, so take this with a grain...
Our Altendorf was good at breaking down sheets (pre-CNC) but it's also good at doing LOTS of other things. 1 cut miters on 2" thick maple, squaring up doors (or anything else), long sheet miters. We cut face frame parts on the Altendorf now too for consistency. Then there's my favorite - straightlining rough lumber!
Sliders take a lot of floor space though.
Nobody mentioned this so I thought I would. Sliders are great. Very accurate and fast at panel processing amongst other things. But, kickback is a concern. If you feed to fast the blade grabs and your hit. Don't ask me how I know. Also, the scoring blade is invisible when running and lots of guys cut themselves. If you get one paint that area orange or something.
After all the responses and other inquiries I've made elsewhere, the verdict-50 50. I need a tie breaker, me. I think for versatility I'll go with the Slider. Now as to my other post. The China made Altendorf. Any experience from anyone on this machine?
I park a unit of plywood at a right angle to the saw and slide the sheets off the top right onto the bottom rollers.
Rip the sheet in half lengthwise then place both on the mid fence (only lifting a half a sheet) and rip to finished width.
Then end cut in multiples to the stop on tge mid fence.
I also do common angles with templates and straightline lumber as well.
They are two different animals with different capabilities. For cutting rectangular parts all day the vertical beats the slider (at another level though the beam saw beats the vertical) The versatility of a slider is great but requires a thinking operator. A cabinet saw can't do what a slider can. And none of the above can do what a CNC can. Run nested on the router and you don't need the vertical, faster and less labor also.
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