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Shaper cutter for face frame material

5/15/19       
SteveL Member

I am going to change over a old shaper/feeder to use for sizeing face frame material. I've always used a planer. I'm wondering what brand of insert type cutter is recommended. I would like to have a large diameter...5"?

5/15/19       #2: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
rich c.

Having a hard time understanding the advantage of using the shaper for that one operation of sizing to width.

5/15/19       #3: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
SteveL Member

I'm hoping to get a little better quality of squareness than I do with ganging them through the planer which doesn't do a perfect job. I hope to be able to run shorter lengths through with a back fence to help straighten some if needed. It will also be a closer location to the face frame area than the planer so parts can be run as needed.

5/15/19       #4: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
Dustin orth

Website: http://customwoodmontrose.com

Look at getting a 4 knife insert head using double side carbide inserts. If you set up your shaper correctly and use a spacer under the head you can actually get 4 sets of knives if only using 3/4 or 13/16 material as you can raise or lower the head and expose a new section of the knife before having to remove the head and flip the knives over. I use the 4 knife heads on my molder all the time and they give the best finish of any of the heads I use which I have tried most brands and types. I would not use a spiral type as they can leave lines that you will need to spend more time sanding out. You are going to use a power feed and an out board fence I assume?

5/16/19       #5: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
SteveL Member

Dustin,
Yes i'll use a fence and a feeder.
Is this the type of cutter you are referring to? you say you have used a number of brands, any certain one you would recommend?
Thanks

4 knife cutter

5/16/19       #6: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
Dustin orth

Website: http://customwoodmontrose.com

Yes that is the cutter type. The ones I use are from Titan knife works. Not a shear cut but 4 knives and have the rabbiting spurs which you could take off if needed. I would prefer all steel heads but have the aluminum ones, the steel would have more momentum and might run a hair bit smoother.

5/16/19       #7: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
Larry

That is a good choice. The spur cutters will allow you to do grooves very nicely. Always run to an outside fence with minimal clearance to the regular fence. This will do some straightening or the work as ling as you feed it concave to the outboard fence.
I've got two similar heads and sometimes set them up with spacers to make tenons or tongues. As in T&G. The knives last a long time.

5/16/19       #8: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
Lester Schultz Member

We use a set up by Wynmatic it provides an outboard fence, spring loaded fence to replace existing fence and spacer blocks to set the width of the piece. Works great. We are climb cutting with a 4 roll feeder on a Powermatic 27.

5/16/19       #9: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
Lester Schultz Member


Model 100 Stile-Avator

5/16/19       #10: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
door shop guy

If you get the Wynmatic outboard fence system do not get the fence with it. When i ordered mine, the plastic had way too much play and flex in it so i returned it and made my own fence out of 1/2" baltic birch with laminate edge.

5/17/19       #11: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
Larry

Climb cutting works well but you must be extra careful in your setup. Wax the table & guides so the work moves smoothly. Set the feed tight enough that there is minimal chance of kick back. If you hear something that sounds like a jerky feed, STOP. Kick back is likely. If you do get a kick back it will be very violent and the work will be thrown like a spear. Keep the path clear! For most work use a conventional cut, against the rotation. Climbing works better on wild grained wood.

5/17/19       #12: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
Lester Schultz Member

My fence from them is aluminum center and the delron on the edge no flex. We have not had any kick backs and the cut quality is great on hard maple no tear out. The operator knows to stay out of the path if there was a kick back. We do not use it much any more we have a weinig 5 head molder.

5/17/19       #13: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
Larry

I bought a new Weinig 5 head quite a long while back. Nice machine but I wish I had bought the 6 head version. The first knife grinder I bought from them I didn't like (bottom of the line) I up graded to a better one later. There is a huge advantage in being able to grind to pattern and re-sharpen as needed.

5/19/19       #14: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
Karl E Brogger  Member

Website: http://www.sogncabinets.com

We use a four wing opposite shear head from Dimension in Tooling that I've been very pleased with the performance of.

We use an outboard fence that is adjustable, that rides on 80/20 extrusions on the outside edge of the shaper. Each side has a digital height readout for a planer on it.

Took a while to get everything dialed in, but it works pretty flawlessly. We use it for sticking cuts for door rail and stile, and for sizing sticking and frame parts.

It takes longer than ganging them up in a planer, but the cut quality, zero snipe, and it being basically impossible to make an edge that is anything other than a square offsets the extra time in my opinion.

You shouldn't have to climb cut in most scenarios.

5/20/19       #15: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
KCR

I have been running all my square edge stock this way for almost 30 years. I don't like the shear heads because even though the defect is minor, the nature of having a slanted knife changes the geometry if the cut on the edge of the board and actually cuts a slight convex edge which makes it hard to clamp panel stock flat. I also custom built my own outboard fence using rails made from 80/20 extrusions with their bearings and a digital ruler from Accurate Technologies. I consistently can mill parallel edge stock to .002" - .004" in width.

5/20/19       #16: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
JR Rutter Member

Website: http://harmonicdesignworks.com

4-knife, 50mm carbide insert knives for me as well. No shear, edge defects are very rare. We do the same as Dustin and run at one height using half the knife length until dull, Change height until the other half is dull, then flip knives and repeat.

5/20/19       #17: Shaper cutter for face frame materi ...
Karl E Brogger  Member

Website: http://www.sogncabinets.com

There was a thread a while back about the opposite shear creating a convex face. Ours does that. It's not noticeable on 4/4 at 13/16 thick. All of our drawer stock is sized prior to glue up on that shaper so nothing has to be cut down for machining. It doesn't show on edge glueing either.

We've used that cutter many times to square up edges on 8/4, and I'd never noticed it until I went looking for it after that thread. In the future, on thick glue ups we likely won't use it for that though.

 

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