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Hinge plates

6/19/17       
Erick Dennis Member

Is there any legitimate reason I can't use face frame hinge plates on a frameless cabinet?

6/19/17       #2: Hinge plates ...
Eddie

When you mean Face frame, is Inset or Overlay??

6/19/17       #3: Hinge plates ...
Mark V.

I do it quite often when I need a door that's off of the 32mm system or for unusual applications.

Mark

6/20/17       #4: Hinge plates ...
james e mcgrew Member

Website: mcgrewwoodwork.com

We use them as a standard, to some degree eliminated lost parts call backs and idiot proof installation

6/20/17       #5: Hinge plates ...
Erick Dennis Member

Eddie, for full overlay.

Mark, I do not use a 32mm system.

James, I was thinking standard/idiot proof as well.

Thanks guys!

6/20/17       #6: Hinge plates ...
Dennis Bean  Member

Website: http://www.saliceamerica.com

Hello,

Face frame mounting plates are commonly used for frameless cabinet work. When selecting the plate however, care should be taken to use a plate which offers the possibility to use 3 screws to attach the plate to the cabinet side.

The 2 fixing screw locations in most face frame mounting plates are designed to be located 3/8” back from the edge of a ¾” thick hardwood face frame. This puts the screws in the center of the hardwood frame, reducing the possibility of splitting the frame and provides a very secure attachment.

In a frameless installation, having the 2 fixing screws only 3/8” back from the edge of a particle board or MDF side is not a secure attachment. After repeated door openings and closings the plate will eventually loosen. When the door is over-opened and force applied, you will even see the back of the plate begin to lift off the surface. It’s a leveraging effect.

The solution is to always use a face frame mounting plate that offers the possibility of using a 3rd screw when using this style in a frameless cabinet. The 3rd screw will hold the plate firmly to the cabinet side and eliminate the leveraging effect.

When using standard frameless style mounting plates it is not necessary to use a 3rd screw. Since the screws are set back 37mm from the edge and are located near the center of the length of the mounting plate, the same leveraging effect does not occur. Many Euro, frameless mounting plates today also offer the possibility of using 3 screws for added security and to meet AWI guidelines.


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6/20/17       #7: Hinge plates ...
james e mcgrew Member

Website: mcgrewwoodwork.com

I started using these well over ten years ago,, with plumbers damaging doors and all the cr@p that can happen i soon found fixing one door could turn into two trip real quick if parts were not all left together or an installer took a replacement door with no dowels etc,

I started using cliptop insertion hinges with the ff plate , yes it has a cost yet in the end less parts we keep a box of parts on the trucks and the callbacks went down to barely noticed on this issue. hinges can be unsnapped and the full part left with the cabinet

6/20/17       #8: Hinge plates ...
Mark V.

Erick,

My point was that I am a manual 32mm frameless shop (that typically uses the 32mm plates in line bored holes), but still find a lot of uses for the face frame plates...

A couple of examples would be...blind corner cabinets, microwave cabinets where I need a 3mm reveal on the top and bottom of the doors, lift-up door cabinets, etc.

They are very useful, and as Dennis recommended, I always use three screws to secure them. If I didn't have a line bore machine, I would use them for ALL my hinges on frameless cabinetry.

Mark

6/20/17       #9: Hinge plates ...
Erick Member

I appreciate everyone's feedback. In my mind this seemed like a great idea considering I don't use a 32mm system(easy alignment, etc.). I just couldn't find any info justifying my thoughts...which made me think I might be missing something.

Thanks again!

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