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New used bander

8/5/17       
Harold morantz

Website: http://morantz cabinets.com

Here is a pic of a used bander we just received this past week to replace our faithful Cehisa EP-9. It has served us well for 13 years and has already been picked up to go to a new home on west coast of Florida. The Brandt has premill and end rounding and will give us a closer to glueless edge for the modern work we have been doing. Besides the high cost of Stiles parts, any tips from Brandt users you can offer? It should be set up and tuned by end of day Monday and my 4 guys and myself will be trained on using it before we hit the start button. Are replacement cutters or blades available generic for this baby? All advise welcome. Harold.


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8/6/17       #2: New used bander ...
james e mcgrew Member

Website: mcgrewwoodwork.com

I bought a new Brand in 2001 and added a used one in 09 the original one has been rebuilt and the 09 relegated to parts at this point we have another larger bander now as i never felt comfortable with out two.. When techs come learn from them, Keep the machines cleaned and maintained. keep air strong and clean we dedicated a compressor so no air drops in heavy use. I have two guys after all these years who can literally do all the machine needs w/o calling techs first. yes blades are readily available and we keep extras...

8/6/17       #3: New used bander ...
Rich Kuban Member

Had a 97 KD56SB. My machine tech said to to be sure to get the buffing wheels from Stiles. He said the trimmer inserts could come from anywhere. I think the trimmer inserts I got from Leuco. Somebody on the CMA forum mentioned using diamond tooling, but I hazard to guess you won't process enough material to justify the cost.

8/7/17       #4: New used bander ...
Paul Miller

Website: http://MCCWOODWORKING.COM

You don't say what model or year. Anyway, I bought a 2002 Brandt KD 76 in 2013 from an online auction for $12,000.

When we got it delivered and wired, we could not get it to come on. We had to schedule a tech who diagnosed the problem to be that the battery in the control panel had gone out and we needed to replace it. When it went out, the bander lost all its settings which we had to get from Stiles. I recall that they charged for this information.

Our machine and I am sure yours does as well, has a hour meter in the computer. You can tell how many hours are on the machine. Might be helpful. Our machine had about 11,000 hours on it when we got it which I thought was a lot, but the tech said that was not really a lot for that machine. I think we are somewhere around 14,000 hours now.

Since we have had this machine, we have had to replace the monitor, the computer and rebuild the glue pot, including and primarily the roller bearing that the glue roller rides on. Right now, it runs great.

I will add, my computer guy took an old monitor that we had laying around and wired it to replace the monitor that went down and he also was able to take an old computer and use it to replace the computer on the bander that went down. Stiles wanted $3,000 to replace the old technology computer. There are a lot of guys that learned to build and rebuild computers. Having one of these guys around is very helpful.

The biggest problem we have is keeping the edgetape from riding up. This varies with the type of tape. But, we put 5mm wood strips on most of our cabinetry and this machine works better than any machine we have ever had in the past.

I feel very lucky, I have a person working for me that is very computer savvy. He has saved us on the bander and our CNC.

Good luck, I hope this helps.

8/7/17       #5: New used bander ...
Matt M

We have one that visually looks the same as yours, it's about 3 years old. It's a good machine.

Source now your replacement inserts for the carbide trimmers and for the premil.

Keeping the glue pot clean can be a challenge, as can be keeping the glue at an appropriate level. Too little, it burns. Too much, it stagnates in the corners.

I recommend for most wood and pvc joints on plywood and particleboard using the least filler possible.

As the pre-mil bits age, you should be able to rotate them (outer two rows rotated to the inner, vice-versa) and get more life out of them, since melamine coating tends to wear them down appreciably.

Keep it meticulously clean. True of all banders, honestly, but this bander is definitely not one that will like neglect.

8/7/17       #6: New used bander ...
harold morantz

Website: http://morantzcabinets.com

Thanks to all. It is a 2006 KDF-530C. THe premill motor bearings need replacing and there is an error that does not let the pressure beam rise or fall, but my mechanic is working on it. Harold.

9/8/17       #7: New used bander ...
Harold

Website: http://morantzcabinets.com

hi everyone, after hooking up my new Bander and bringing in tech to get it up and running, here is my description of the process for those planning future used machinery purchases.
1. The machine was in Mississippi and was bought for 20k including delivery and a new glue pot, I had not seen the machine or had it checked and relied on Ferwood that machine was in operating condition .
2. This Bander came with most of the options available in its day with many advanced features compared to the base model.
3. I was prepared for future investment up to about 10k.
4. Turned out the machine had not been in use for over 1 year and after checking computer history, was not maintained well.
5. My technician came from 4 hrs north of me and travel time was included in my bill.
He had worked for Stiles and knew the machine. He discounted several hours each time and gave me a lower hourly rate as an introduction offer. 90.00/hr
6. Some parts took over 2 weeks to get and required more than 2 visits to get it operational,
7. Tech suggested some generic parts but many ha to come from Stiles.
8. Total cost for labour and parts came to 12k which included 1k for a 3phase 230volt
Surge protector for computer.
9. I am very pleased with the reconditioning and how well this machine performs.
Having the premill and corner rounding has been a big step up in our quality and speed of operation. Has taken some time for my workers to use the new technology, but it has been worth it.

Lessons learned;
Have a used machine checked out whenever possible.
Look into all auxiliary costs that are attached to a new machine, like rigging and placing in shop, electrical preparation, extra dust collection needed, and down time.
If you have a machine that is being replaced that works;?dont sell it before the new one is up and running. My Cehisa was picked up before the new one was installed, but I had to wait 3 weeks to get all parts . Cost me another 500.00 in banding services plus much more to deliver the parts and return to shop.

Attached is a pic of my new, reconditioned Bander. Hope I made the right decision and that my journey can be helpful 😅


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