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We wanted to do some cabinets for a customer with pullouts that did not have to be blocked out for hinge clearance. Blumm rep advised that this was possible with the 125 deg. 0 protrusion special hinge. After building the cabinets and ordering hinges we learned the hinges would not work. Blumm advised that they do not make a hinge for full inset frameless cabinets that are 0 protrusion. Work around is to get a 95 deg. hinge and mount the cup into the cabinet wall and mount the hinge on the stile of the door. Problem is cabs are built. Anyone know on another hinge that will work with full inset frame less cabinets that will give us a clear path for pull outs?
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I am not totally clear on what you are doing. But, the Grass 165 degree wide opening hinge has a zero protrusion into the cabinet. If that does not work, try the thick door hinge. These doors I believe require a 40 mm bore.
Any time I do something for the first time, I do a mock up. No surprises.
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Nobody makes what you are looking for in a hinge and mounting a hinge backwards just doesn't work ethically for most of us. Build the cabinet properly to work with the proper hinge system and learn from the mistake. Like mentioned mockups are your friend when you are new to a concept.
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Think about it for a moment. How could an inset door possibly be zero protrusion?
There is no such thing as a zero protrusion, inset scenario that is possible unless the door somehow magically shifts laterally once open.
Zero protrusion is simple to achieve with overlay doors if the correct hinge is selected. This would be a 155 or 165-degree, zero protrusion hinge as Paul suggests but never a 125-degree hinge. Salice has a 155 degree hinge for this (overlay doors) in either soft close or self close.
I have seen the approach of putting the hinge cup in the cabinet with the plate on the door but only by a couple of office furniture companies. It does look rather odd.
If the doors are inset, blocking out your pull-outs is your only recourse at this point.
Best of luck
Dennis
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Thank you all for your answers. Mr. Miller, sorry that I was somewhat convoluted in my explanation. We build frame less and FF cabinets. We build what the customer wants. This customer wanted pull outs with out blocking to clear the door. I advised the customer that this was not possible and mentioned it to the Blum rep. The Blum rep advised that the 125 degree thick door hinge would work for this application. Took the rep at his word. When the hinges arrived, I realized...this is not going to work. One call to Blum confirmed that they do not make such a hinge.
This in not our first rodeo. No mistake made, just have to block out for the pullout. Only mistake was taking the sales rep at his word.
When you stay busy you don't have a lot of time to look at new products (once every other year at the IWF) so when a rep says they have something new that will do this or that you tend to believe them.
Therefore, I was just asking if something new might be out there that I have not seen yet.
Mr Bean, you are absolutely correct. Should have thought about it for a minute or two. I wish Salice had a rep in our area that was not tied to Richelieu. (no other comments on that) Again thank you all for your answers.
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I guess blocking out will be the only option. Personally I've never understood the idea of hiding "drawers" behind a door. The customer hardly ever opens them enough and over years of use, and the inside of the doors takes a beating. Just make the box with drawers.
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Thomas,
If you can let me know your location I can recommend your local Salice rep and the possible distributors for your area.
My email is: dennis@saliceamerica.com
Thank you
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I agree with Rich. Putting rollout shelves or drawers behind doors is an exercise of redundancy. The only time I'll do it is for printer pullouts in office cabinets when a drawer front would impede the printers function.
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I stand corrected. There is in fact a 125 degree zero protrusion hinge available.
Dennis
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Maybe all he needs is the 19MM base plate.
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Oops here is the link
Zero Protrusion hinge
Alan,
Thomas,
Did you try setting the cup bore at 25.1 like the mitered door, that looked like it might work although it probably would collide with the end.
Alan, I did not try the miter door bore. I built out for the slide like normal. Like someone said....the hinges mounted backwards looks bad, but then again, to me building out for the drawer slides on a pull out cheapens the look also. Customers that are willing to pay for doors and drawers that are inset with the sides and dividers are willing to pay for a solution to the ugly build outs for drawer slides.
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I thought that was the answer when I first talked with Blum. Problem is that is a hinge for overlay doors and not inset. It will not work. I did a test run on the backwards mounting, plate on door, cup in cab wall. but did not like the looks. I decided to go ahead an build out the slides. (looks more normal than backward mounted hinges)
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The last page middle left shows inset with what looks like 19MM base plate, is the pivot point at the face of the base plate?
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Bottom line, I believe it is like Mr Bean said, "How could an inset door possibly be zero protrusion?" I am sure it could be done but it would probably take a hinge the size of which would take up more room than the build outs.
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