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Blum compact 39c overlay hinges

7/4/20       
Jim Member

I'm making some cabinets with 1 1/2" face frames and want to have a 1 1/4" overlay (doors are 18" x 26"). I'm considering the Blum Compact Blumotion 39c hinges but they only mount with 1 screw and I'm concerned that they will come loose with use. I would prefer hinges that mount with 2 screws. The other Blum models have 2 screws but less overlay.

Does anyone have experience with the 39C series? Do they come loose?

7/5/20       #2: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
MarkB Member

In my experience the wrap style hinges are less of an issue with any type of slippage or coming loose and more an issue in regards to the amount of leverage the door will put on a face frame, or even worse, a mid stile, and torque'ing the face frame.

A wrap with a good #10x3/4 nickel pan head screw isnt going to go anywhere but it will likely twist the face frame if you run standard 1/4" face frame overlap on the carcass and 1/2" boxes. If you run 3/4" boxes (pray for your back and hernia package) you'd have less of an issue.

We build flush interiors and dont use wrap hinges so top hinge mounts with three screws on the plate, bottom has 2 screws on the plate, and they are in full contact with the interior.

We do run the wraps on mid stiles because the plate sticking back into mid air on the mid's is disgusting. Tall uppers and for sure with certain species you can see the mid stile facer frame twist all day long when you have to hinge on one.

7/6/20       #3: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
Dennis Bean  Member

Website: http://www.saliceamerica.com

Hello Jim,

I thought I would chime in here as this is an important topic to look at Salice hinges. First, Blum does not offer a 2-screw hinge in a face frame (wrap-around) hinge. They only offer this for a Euro hinge with a frame adapter mounting plate. You are correct, the 1-1/4” overlay is not possible.

Salice offers both single screw and two screw in a soft close face frame hinge. From testing I can confirm that both are equally as “strong” assuming the correct screw is used. See Mark’s post above.
Weight load: 20lbs for doors with 2 hinges and up to 24” wide.

Here are some differences:

The single screw hinge has tabs both front and back on the face frame that capture the hinge on a ¾” face frame. The 2-screw hinge has tabs only on the front. This allows for the hinge to be accurately indexed off the front of the face frame while not being restricted to ¾” frame thickness. Some markets historically use 7/8” thick frames.

MOST IMPORTNT: The single screw hinge has a slotted hole for the screw that attaches the hinge to the frame. This is also the way height adjustment is made by loosening this screw moving the door then re-tightening the screw. Many prefer the 2-screw hinge due to the cam adjustment for height adjustment. It is automatic and there is never a need to loosen a screw from the wood to make an adjustment.

The single screw hinge has 2 cam adjustments and one manual adjustment. The two screw hinge has all three adjustments by automatic cam.

Although the 2-screw costs slightly more (very little) the appearance spells “custom” as the hinges appear stronger with 2 screws and sets this hinge apart from all they cabinets your customer will see at the big box stores. It is a selling point for you.

The screw you use with a 2-screw hinge is a #6 X 5/8”. This is the same screw you likely use for other hardware like drawer slides. There is no need to keep that #10 X ¾” screw around.

Both are soft close with an adjustable soft close feature.

I hope this helps. Best of luck.

Dennis

Here are the technical details for both from our catalog an a link to the information on our web site.


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Salice Three Cam Face Frame Hinges

7/7/20       #4: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
JoeW Member

Jim,

I use both the Blum (38's & 39"s) and Salice. I prefer to use the Salice for the two screw and adjustment capabilities.

But Blum has more overlay possibilities. So I find I use them more than I'd like.

Biggest short coming to the Salice is the experience of the installer. Good shop help is hard to come by. If a careless employee installs incorrectly, you now have two out of place screw holes, not one to deal with.

7/7/20       #5: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
Jim Member

Hi Mark and Joe,

Thank you for your thoughts. Mark-I'm glad to hear the single #10 screw will not loosen.

My cabinets are 3/4" plywood boxes with 3/4" thick face frames. How wide are your face frames? I am planning to make them 1.5" wide. One idea I had was to make the face frames narrower (1" or 1.25") and use the Blum soft close BLUMotion clip top face frame hinges (max overlay of 3/4"). Then I could get the advantage of a two screw hinge and still have a "full overlay" look. What do you think? How wide do you usually make your face frames?

Comparing Salice and Blum, (besides the 2 vs one screw and more overlay possibilities with Blum) is there anything about Blum or Salice that you think make one better than the other?

I've tried to find some kind of review of hinge models and that seems hard to come by.

7/8/20       #6: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
Dennis Bean  Member

Website: http://www.saliceamerica.com

Jim,

I would be happy to send you some samples of both the face frame hinge and our Silentia+ hinge. The Silentia+ would be similar to the clip-top hinge that you mention. You can send me your address to my email listed above.

Dennis

7/8/20       #7: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
MB

Why not just build them frameless if your after a frameless look?

7/8/20       #8: Blum compact 39c overlay hinges ...
Al

Yes Salice is better. Why? Because the gentleman named Dennis just offered you samples. I have used Salice since mid 90’s and myself like many others on this site like the quality of the hinges and the outstanding support from Dennis.

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