I'm just wondering if anyone has used cabnetware software and switched over to cabinet vision software. We have used ware for over 10 years now and recently purchased vision. We are currently doing all drawings using vision but I don't see how it is any faster than ware. We are constantly told that ware is 90's technology and vision is the new thing. I can do a drawing much much faster in ware than vision and it also seems that ware is so much more user friendly. You can make a modification to a cabinet in ware so easily and in vision you have to go through so many steps it's unreal. I understand there are some features in vision that are better and I have seen them but it seems the ease of use in ware out weighs them. Why doesn't Vero/Planit take both of these programs and take the ease from ware and technology from vision and make one program?Has anyone used both of these programs? I am still not convinced that vision as that much better.
Once you get the hang of it, it is lightening fast. I started out with Kitchen Builder -10 years ago and it was real simple. CV is now, after a few years, and seems to be getting more powerful now that we are pushing the envelope in shape editing and sending it to the router.
Hands down Cabnetware is faster, easier, and more intuitive to use than Cabinet Vision in my experience.
I was shocked after working with a friend who is an expert Vision user, using their top program. Together we designed about 10 kitchens worth of cabinets to be cut on his cnc. OMG it is not even close; after seeing that, I would not take Vision if you gave it to me for free. Not only did Vision seem to require twice as many, or more, clicks to get the job done, but the clicks required far more screen travel too… it was hard to watch- much like smoke blowing into my eyes! Whatever balloons & ribbons they tied to that thing are not worth it in my opinion.
When Planit came along and bought-up both of the top-selling programs, they chose to showcase Vision, and then basically shelved Cabnetware. I think Vision was easier to monetize because there were several add-ons to sell, where-as Ware was an all-included package. Whatever the reasoning, I am convinced that they chose the wrong horse to ride.
I think it is a testament to Cabnetware that it remains relevant- and is still being talked about and esteemed- even though I have not noticed it being actively marketed by Planit for years. I predict a resurgence of Cabnetware as Vision rides off into a sunset of complexity :-)
Thanks for the responses. We took a little bit of time to get into vision as well and finally decided to just do it because we were told it was so much better. We are using Cabinet Vision Solid 8.0. After playing with it the past few months and now doing all of our drawings using vision I am concerned that our efficiency and speed is going to go way down. I would like to do what is best for the company but afraid this decision is out of my hands. Bobby and James, I couldn't agree with you more.
Cabinet vision offers much more control and the ability to custom over cabinet ware. so its much stronger program but takes time to learn. A friend of mine went to work at a shop using cabinet ware and he really misses cabinet vision for the custom control we have.
Tommy, I agree with you, it is stronger software with more customization opportunities but that also brings a lot to learn with it. If you had ever used cabnetware there are a lot of features in that software that vision doesn't even offer. I'm still confused why they don't take some of the simplistic features from ware and incorporate them into vision. To me these usc codes that have to be written are ridiculous and cause more confusion. I understand that is part of the customization of the software.
I've helped many shops make the switch from Cabnetware to Cabinet Vision successfully. Often, CW users think because they are so familiar with Cabnetware that the transition to Cabinet Vision would be easy, because "how different could it be?" However, the fundamental concepts behind Cabnetware & Cabinet Vision are entirely different. It’s a mind shift from how Cabnetware does things, to how Cabinet Vision does things. There are some things that CW did better, but once you fully understand CV, you’ll find there’s a lot more that CV does better. And that’s where the stumbling block lies… Unless you get formal training on how to use Cabinet Vision, you will likely find the most inefficient, ineffective way of doing things first and believe that’s the only way. There are multiple ways in Cabinet Vision to achieve the same outcome; There is 1 efficient/effective way, and the rest are less efficient, less effective. But you need to learn why to make the right choice and use the software to its highest potential. My last CW to CV convert said that what used to take him 8+ hours in CW, took him only 1.5 hrs in CV. He achieved that result because we worked together to setup his configuration right, we trained all the way through to the advanced level, and we made enhancements that would speed up design to manufacture specific to his business needs. If you are interested in getting help with the CW to CV switch, please visit www.learncabinetvision.com
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