We are a small cabinet shop doing mostly commercial and a few large residential jobs. I am looking for someone with experience that implemented Cabinet vision and screen to machine . We have a beam saw and point to point we are not nesting currently but looking to get a nested base router in the near future . I would appreciate any information or any of your experiences in either software. We are having a very hard time in making the decision between Microvellum and cabinet vision. Thanking you in advance Irving
I have used CV since 1995 and Ultimate screen to machine since 2007. I can only say I would have never been able to grow and run my business without it. I have many post where someone has another software only to question whether or not they should upgrade to CV. I give it my highest recomendation.
A little history, we have been in business for about 20 years and just got into CNC a little more than a year ago with a flat table machine and a drill dowel machine as well. We build both commercial and high end residential
We ran the software that came with the machines (both Weekes) and needed to move faster. We looked at both CV and Microvellum and went with MIcrovellum we felt it fit our needs better and the support seemed better too. CV has a lot of presentation type of applications but Microvellum seemed to be more of a work horse. I will say its a lot to swallow and is a big undertaking. I would say that I am happy and I'm the guy running it Chris
You should consider how important it is to be able to submit and do shop drawings in an AutoCAD format. If that is important, you will want to lean toward an AutoCAD based software. Both programs that you mention, in order to implement them properly, require the sufficient amount of training and integration. At least a week onsite to get you functioning. Plan on revisiting training on specific functions that you want to get more proficient with. You can go cheaper, but in the long run, you'll run into the limitations of a cheaper software and you'll be investing more to address those shortcomings. I'll be completely open and honest with you, I've got experience with MV but not CV. To be fair, it should be noted that we represent woodCAD|CAM, now and it is, at least worth your attention to look at. It has been around for quite a while but was mainly in the European market. The nice thing is that it is German engineering. They just don't do things unless it's done right. It is AutoCAD based and provides excellent submittal drawings, right out of the box. The 3D modeling interface for addressing custom products is a bit more user friendly when dealing with things that are non standard. Sorry to throw more confusion into your decision making process, but you should do your due diligence.
We have been running Cabinet Vision for a long time and 2 years ago bought a cnc, then bought s2m.
It's pretty intense, but with the knowledge in hand that it all revolves around construction methods and materials schedules, things are going well.
As for shop submitals, I think that the devil is in the details. If you don't show details like the architect wants, they are going to be rejected. Their is a CAD feature and you can use it to get the details flushed out.
We had a ptp and slider combo, but after drawings that are 45 pages becoming common place, I decided on a router and not to post to a saw and the ptp. The choice has worked well for us. It is pretty steep on the learning curve, but like I said it has been good. I looked @ Microvellum and man, it's powerful, but I already had some experience with Cabinet Vision, so that's where we went. I run Ultimate, it's very powerful, don't let anyone bs you.
Our router is a 5x12. We cut a lot of corian, so we seam it up and set it up as 60x144 for the material size. It has saved us a lot of time on the floor. Good luck.
No software that will really perform is going to be inexpensive or easy to use. We use a "sister" software to WoodCadCam and it is brilliant. I suggest you at least take a look at what Pat has to offer. What you need to validate are the machine posts available. Some software processes to certain machines better than others. Biesse, and no, I am not affiliated with Biesse, connects well with most packages...just FYI. Decide what you want a package to accomplish for you, hand the software salesman a list and see if the software performs while he is there. Don't get pulled in to the "oh, yes...it will do that but I don't have my system configured for that..." excuse....have them get on the phone with tech support or an expert while you are watching to get the real answers. Happy hunting.
Irving, you said you have a small cabinet shop. What's driving the purchase of new software? Getting more out of the machinery? Handling drawings? Do you in fact need to draw everything you make? Is there a need to go beyond AutoCAD? Are you buying a sledgehammer when a hammer will do?
Yes, Mike. We will be showing this and more at IWF. You can also go to our website and view a recorded version of our last webcast. Feel free to contact me if you wish to ask questions or would like more information.
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