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Another software advice question10/11/18
We're currently on Cabnetware 8.1. Dinosaur stuff. Also it's just the drafting part, no cut lists for anything. I manually create door/drawer front and drawer parts lists in a spreadsheet. (I spent all I could afford when I got it)
We recently bought a router and a copy of CV9 & S2M
CV wants a lot of money to transfer it. Like more than I can absorb for cost right now.
Mozaik's approach is the right one in my mind. I think the price is fair, and subscription is the way almost everything has gone. I really don't like the interface though.
CV is familiar coming from an ancient copy of CW. It's like dating your ex's cousin. They aren't the same, but there's something similar that you know how to deal with the crazy when it pops up.
My options the best I see them right now:
-Pay CV in blood and probably have to send them my dog to boot.
-Continue using the copy of CV that I've got, and just never connect the thing to the internet so it can't be touched. Also hire a third party to do some training to get some parameters set up that I can't get figured out.
-Muscle through and learn how to manipulate Mozaik along with maybe a trip to Alabama to get some coaching.
-Continue using Cabnetware for the shop drawings and for clients to sign off on, then manually draw all of my parts in Woodwop for the router.
Thoughts? I'm really pissed off at everything right now. Except the dog, she's good.
Been there done that.
We have 18 guys and two routers now.
When I finally forked over the note to CV I felt pretty timid.
Well a few years later and the second router, 5 ultimate seats, label it and a link to the doweller,and with to cnc s2m posts later- hellllll ya, do it. It will be painful bit hell, think about drawing, making some adjustments, checking your “pre- flight list” to make sure it’s good, and a few keystrokes later your cut lists for doors, cnc code is generated.
And, we just keep busting out boxes and reception walls.
Did I tell you about the 50k in corian I busted out in a few days with CV as the software ?
BTW we have ultimate support.
You definitely get what you pay for
Two years with Mozaik and have never looked back. A little painful to set up but cruise after that. Training via phone/computer and forum is excellent. Have never gone to Al. Upgrades included with subscription. You won't regret it.
We went from Cabnetware to CV. I wish we had not. Not sufficient support, way too more complicated to set up than I was led to believe. Extremely slow response times.
Well CV is trying to hit me for $8500 to switch it over. And threatening to sue me if I don't pay them quickly.
Made me laugh. I told my salesman it's over his pay grade and he better get somebody with more say to call me back.
It's pretty simple I feel. Do you want my money or not? Cut me some slack now and you'll have me hooked on your expensive support fees for eternity
We're a tiny peasant company with less than $500k in gross sales. I've been spending like a little kid this year too, and have dumped over $100k back into the business on equipment. We don't have $8500 in the kitty right now if I want too keep doing fun things like making payroll and building payments.
We're likely going to just keep ruining CW and set up parts in woodwop for the time being.
I've got a current subscription to Mozaik, I might buy a couple of months of the cnc version and put some training to work and see if I can get what I want out of it. Screwing around on my own, it's a nightmare.
I really wish they hadn't dumped Cabnetware, it's so easy use. But I have no experience with the cnc version.
We are in the same boat as well. CV wanted the 8500 to upgrade and we have CV9 . Probably going to go the Moziak route when we decide to.
A friend with a much larger shop told me to keep my money and keep going the way we are. Its not just the 8500 its the 2000 per seat for mandatory upgrades when they feel its necessary. BiesseWorks does just fine for what we produce.
We were in the same boat. We too bought CV9 after using using cabnetware for 20 years. They hit us for like $5,000 for 2 seats. Once we tried to learn it we tried Mozaik and never looked back it so much easier to use!!! Also if you need S2M and pay for support you can NEVER break even by paying CV upfront.
We have used cabinet vision since V4.1. While CV does everything they can to bend you over a barrel, the reality is that their software is the most powerful, most adaptable, and the most apt to make your life easy(once you get to know it).
With our CNC set up, and the most current version of CV, I can have a $150,000 job drawn, with correct parameters, material specs etc in less than half a day. The shop drawings take another couple hours, then I'm ready to send it in for approval.
It is a really powerful, intuitive program that once you get properly calibrated, it can not be beat. Unfortunately, they know this, and really try to make you pay for it.
If you don't mind me asking how much $ and time do you have invested in CV to get that kind of performance? Don't get me wrong, I get it if the software makes you the money back 3-6-10 fold its worth it.
Don't feel obligated to respond if you don't want to.
I also know a closet guy that is into CV over 35K with one router..
35000 is about right. I've spent probably 20k on the software, another 10k on keys/upgrades/service, then 5k on the post processor to my cnc. It obviously took some time and effort to get it to where I am today, but I'd definitely do it all over again!
I think I have 60 to 80k in all the seats, training etc and the posts and links.
It’s not cheap, but once it is set up, my god it can churn some boxes out.
Anyway, we have a 100k job getting ready to kick out tomorrow. 48 pages of shop drawings.
Ya. One job 48 pages. From tops to die walls to corian wall trim.
It will kick out over several days to the custom guys while the box builders get their boxes day in and day out.
Thanks for the realistic numbers guys, Like any other tool or equipment if the volume of work is there its a no brainer. I still think I will give the Mosiak a go before I shell out the big money for CV, as we have other efficiency hurdles to get over before the software comes into play.
Glad to hear everyone is busy though!!
I've decided to go with Mozaik.
If any of you need help with Cabnetware, keep this email address in mind.
I worked for Planit for 20 years before they closed CW.