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2/16/17       
Garen

I am starting a search for a different stain brand. Currently have been using sherwin williams. Its ok. Seam to not have good luck. I do quite a bit of color matching. Has anyone used the Triclad system? Having an option to use quarts is nice. Anyone use General Finishes RTM? I am open to other brands as well. I have been using solvent based. Thanks

2/17/17       #2: Stains ...
Alan

What specifically are you not liking about the Sherwin williams? Are you using the D59 line?

2/17/17       #3: Stains ...
Garen

I have been using the BAC wiping stain. Anytime I get one it seams way to much like paint instead of a stain. I never have been offered any other type of stain. The rep here in town has never told me their full product line.

2/17/17       #4: Stains ...
kevin

Yeah,,, get away from the BAC.. Blend-A-Color is very bland. Ask about the D59 solvent based stains

2/17/17       #5: Stains ...
Alan

I agree with Kevin. BAC is not your friend. I like the D59 line because it is very versatile and the pigments are very rich. When you say that you do a lot of color matching, I am not sure if you mean that you match the colors yourself, or if you send them out to be matched at a SWP store. I assume that you are sending them out, because most of the local stores use the BAC system. With the D59 system, you match all of the colors in house. You control the pigment strength, the solvents (fast or slow evaporating) how much clear stain base you add, if any. You also control how much you make. You can make one quart up to 5 gallons or more at a time. You have complete control of the colors. It is a little bit of an investment, but it pays off in the long run. I have never had a problem with the D59's.

2/17/17       #6: Stains ...
Garen

I will have to look into the d59 series. I would like a in house matching system. I was always sending them off. They were good for a year or so then the main guy left for a different store in another state. Does the d59 have samples then? I assume its more like the tricald system maybe? Thanks.

2/17/17       #7: Stains ...
Alan

There are no samples like the Triclad system. You match the colors yourself. Once you have several colors in your own library that you have matched, you can sometimes find a color close to what you are matching and add a little red, take a little red out, etc to make the matching process go a little faster. It takes practice, and patience to learn how to match the colors, but finishing in general takes a lot of practice and patience. If you talk to your sales rep ( if you have a decent one), he can probably get a tech rep to set you up and give you some pointers. Probably stay with you and match a few colors and get you on the right track. Once you get the hang of it, you will be glad that you went that route. It puts more control in your hands. No more waiting for a week for a color, only to have it not look like you want it to in the end. The stain matching and record keeping from SWP is called the Aurora system. You would need a mixer and mixing lids and a gram scale. You can make your own stains, dyes, pigmented base coats, even pigmented conversion varnishes. Might be a $3000 or more or so investment, but mine paid for itself in the first year.

 

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