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High Build Piano Style Finishing10/21
Do any of you do multiple layer, high build, rubbed out finishing on cabinets, furniture and architectural installations?
Shhhhhhhhh….Be quiet.... we are all loving the low build open pore finishes in low sheens that's trending.
Yep, have been doing them for over 40 years. Like Shane, also loving the open pore dead flat !!
I do. Including pianos. However even Ethan Allen has switched to off the gun, orangepeeled flat finishes. Look how far we've fallen. Steinway pianos are now done in polyester. Satinized lacquer (hand-rubbed satin) is only special order.
Thanks, Dan, Bob and Shane. Your answers help me in my development of a waterborne piano coating.
Arthur, Just wondering are you reworking Pianolac? Looked for the website and couldn't find it. Also looked up Starhawk Labs and nothing.
Yes, Bob, the new Pianolac will be released soon.
Here's what has felled me with a rubbed waterborne finish: sanding through a layer of finish leaves me a witness line, meaning respray that piece. It's happened to me too much, too often and it's just one of many, many negative criticisms that I have for coalesced coatings.
Dan, I have same thing. Even if you recoat with-in "wet on wet" windows.
Dan and Bob,
You will both be happy to know that my new Pianolac formulation takes care of the witness line problem. There are no witness lines and no "wet on wet" windows. You can even spray over cured Pianolac witness line free.
Clarity is hard to believe. No haze, no bluish color, even with nine coats. Just a nitro like amber.
The black is as jet as the jetest polyester, without looking like plastic.
I will have a test board with the clear and black illustrating these features on my website.
This stuff sounds like a dream. Ive been wondering how the pianolac thing was coming along...
When will you be ready to ship out samples?
Here is a picture of a grand piano refinished in Pianolac by Jim Iallegio of Grand Piano Solutions in the Boston area. I made multiple small lab batches for him, and am cueewntly working on scale up to commercial production. I'll keep the industry informed. This piano was rubbed to a satin black.
Having beta testing Arthur's, re-formulated Piano-Lac a couple of times recently...some feedback, for the community...
The black intensity is absolutely gorgeous. There is nothing out there like it, rich, jet, jet black. High build, no witness lines, a spray on filler that is real easy to use, no chemical stenches at all, even compared to other WB. Satin rubs to a black, as opposed to rubbing to gray as Lacquer does.
Like any product, there are somethings to learn, but, we have been working the process through and really, at this point, the whole finish process, for a high build Piano finish is pretty straightforward.
My own grail that I have been chasing in this regard is a low build, smooth to the hands, slightly open pore satin (somewhere between satin and semi) that is off the gun. No bloody rubbing. I have combined Arthur's amazing black with some clear topcoats to do this followed by automotive paste wax, and to my eye, and hand, I actually prefer it to the formal piano rubbed finish. But most pianos require a formal finish, and Arthur's is the only WB on the block, excellent right now and getting better with each tweak...congrats Arthur.
The other thing I like about working with Arthur is there is no manufacturer BS...info is truthful, right from the horses mouth, and if something didnt work, he acknowledges it and fixes it without telling you it was your fault.