CNC

You are not logged in. [ Login ] Why log in
(NOTE: Login is not required to post)

Miterfolding on CNC, getting proper cut depth

3/29/17       
Matt

Good day folks,

We're looking for ways of simplifying getting proper depth cuts on miterfolding 3/4" plywood on the CNC router.

The common problem we seem to have is that we struggle at having the cut depth just a wee bit too much (cut through) or a wee bit to little (and the plywood crinkles/splits when you fold it over).

I realize every CNC out there is a little different from the next on how you index your bits, but basically speaking, how much material do you guys leave on the miterfold joint (the veneer) before folding it over?

Also. I see a lot of videos on Youtube where tape is used on the face of the miterfold joints to protect them in assembly. I'm curious, how are you flipping those over SAFELY to apply tape, without breaking one of the folds?

Thanks,
Matt

3/29/17       #2: Miterfolding on CNC, getting proper ...
Alan F.

We put the tape on before we make the cut, we leave about .004. Depending on the part the operator can fold and glue right when he unloads.

3/29/17       #3: Miterfolding on CNC, getting proper ...
rich c.

You are facing off your spoil board aren't you?

3/30/17       #4: Miterfolding on CNC, getting proper ...
Alan F.

We do on both pod and rail and flat table.
Either way we use a horizontal arbor.
Vertical cutters push the spoilage to the bottom of the cut so if you are using a vertical spindle you may want to do a hogging pass and then a fine pass for the last 1/8 -1/4

All the dedicated miterfold machines apply the tape as the panel feeds through the machine and use a horizontal arbor.

A-

3/30/17       #5: Miterfolding on CNC, getting proper ...
Alan F.

A lot of machines can use an aggregate like this.

Moulder head

3/30/17       #6: Miterfolding on CNC, getting proper ...
Alan F.

Old Tooling drawing

Click the link below to download the file included with this post.

VGROOVE.pdf

4/1/17       #7: Miterfolding on CNC, getting proper ...
katz Yaakov

with poly board +knest only software
you can do any shape any angle
with....
simple tool
this cabinet created in last exhibition in Guangzhou last week with simple cnc without even tool change


View higher quality, full size image (1040 X 780)


View higher quality, full size image (1040 X 780)

4/4/17       #8: Miterfolding on CNC, getting proper ...
Matt

A lot of helpful answers, thanks.

Regarding facing off the spoilboard (flycutting), we don't necessarily do that immediately before doing a miterfold.

That's one of the things I'd like to mine from you guys. Do you always flycut right before doing a miterfold?

Alan, thank you especially. I have not personally seen a head like that used on the CNC but I can see why it would be helpful. I'm assuming the head you're showing me basically is a 90-degree transfer case so the you can use cutters that rotate like a saw blade. We've just been using the standard 90.5 degree V-groove shaper type tool with blade inserts.

We will try also making relief/hogging cuts, that will probably give us better results.

4/5/17       #10: Miterfolding on CNC, getting proper ...
Mike

Matt,
We have a moulder head like Alan showed, but we typically don't use it for mitre folding. When cutting mitre joints, we flycut the table first so that the force of the V-groove saw or router bit doesn't force material into the void created by a previous tool path. The saw we use has a 9 inch diameter and works well. The downside is that you need extra room in a nest to drop it down and not foul another part. If the yield is too tight for the saw, or the mitre is curved, we just use a router bit. Also, we find that 2 cuts work best for out set up. Final depth = Z0.0 final cut only 0.03" in depth.

  • Post a Response to this thread
  • notify me of responses to this topic
  • To receive email notification of additions to this forum thread,
    enter your name and email address, and then click the
    "Keep Me Posted" button below.

    Please Note: If you have posted a message or response,
    do not submit this request ... you are already signed up
    to receive notification!

    Your Name:
    E-Mail Address:
    Enter the correct numbers into the field below:
     

    Date of your Birth:



    Return to top of page

    Buy & Sell Exchanges | Forums | Galleries | Site Map

    FORUM GUIDELINES: Please review the guidelines below before posting at WOODWEB's Interactive Message Boards (return to top)

  • WOODWEB is a professional industrial woodworking site. Hobbyist and homeowner woodworking questions are inappropriate.
  • Messages should be kept reasonably short and on topic, relating to the focus of the forum. Responses should relate to the original question.
  • A valid email return address must be included with each message.
  • Advertising is inappropriate. The only exceptions are the Classified Ads Exchange, Machinery Exchange, Lumber Exchange, and Job Opportunities and Services Exchange. When posting listings in these areas, review the posting instructions carefully.
  • Subject lines may be edited for length and clarity.
  • "Cross posting" is not permitted. Choose the best forum for your question, and post your question at one forum only.
  • Messages requesting private responses will be removed - Forums are designed to provide information and assistance for all of our visitors. Private response requests are appropriate at WOODWEB's Exchanges and Job Opportunities and Services.
  • Messages that accuse businesses or individuals of alleged negative actions or behavior are inappropriate since WOODWEB is unable to verify or substantiate the claims.
  • Posts with the intent of soliciting answers to surveys are not appropriate. Contact WOODWEB for more information on initiating a survey.
  • Excessive forum participation by an individual upsets the balance of a healthy forum atmosphere. Individuals who excessively post responses containing marginal content will be considered repeat forum abusers.
  • Responses that initiate or support inappropriate and off-topic discussion of general politics detract from the professional woodworking focus of WOODWEB, and will be removed.
  • Participants are encouraged to use their real name when posting. Intentionally using another persons name is prohibited, and posts of this nature will be removed at WOODWEB's discretion.
  • Comments, questions, or criticisms regarding Forum policies should be directed to WOODWEB's Systems Administrator
    (return to top).

    Carefully review your message before clicking on the "Send Message" button - you will not be able to revise the message once it has been sent.

    You will be notified of responses to the message(s) you posted via email. Be sure to enter your email address correctly.

    WOODWEB's forums are a highly regarded resource for professional woodworkers. Messages and responses that are crafted in a professional and civil manner strengthen this resource. Messages that do not reflect a professional tone reduce the value of our forums.

    Messages are inappropriate when their content: is deemed libelous in nature or is based on rumor, fails to meet basic standards of decorum, contains blatant advertising or inappropriate emphasis on self promotion (return to top).

    Libel:   Posts which defame an individual or organization, or employ a tone which can be viewed as malicious in nature. Words, pictures, or cartoons which expose a person or organization to public hatred, shame, disgrace, or ridicule, or induce an ill opinion of a person or organization, are libelous.

    Improper Decorum:   Posts which are profane, inciting, disrespectful or uncivil in tone, or maliciously worded. This also includes the venting of unsubstantiated opinions. Such messages do little to illuminate a given topic, and often have the opposite effect. Constructive criticism is acceptable (return to top).

    Advertising:   The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not an advertising venue. Companies participating in a Forum discussion should provide specific answers to posted questions. WOODWEB suggests that businesses include an appropriately crafted signature in order to identify their company. A well meaning post that seems to be on-topic but contains a product reference may do your business more harm than good in the Forum environment. Forum users may perceive your references to specific products as unsolicited advertising (spam) and consciously avoid your web site or services. A well-crafted signature is an appropriate way to advertise your services that will not offend potential customers. Signatures should be limited to 4-6 lines, and may contain information that identifies the type of business you're in, your URL and email address (return to top).

    Repeated Forum Abuse: Forum participants who repeatedly fail to follow WOODWEB's Forum Guidelines may encounter difficulty when attempting to post messages.

    There are often situations when the original message asks for opinions: "What is the best widget for my type of shop?". To a certain extent, the person posting the message is responsible for including specific questions within the message. An open ended question (like the one above) invites responses that may read as sales pitches. WOODWEB suggests that companies responding to such a question provide detailed and substantive replies rather than responses that read as a one-sided product promotion. It has been WOODWEB's experience that substantive responses are held in higher regard by our readers (return to top).

    The staff of WOODWEB assume no responsibility for the accuracy, content, or outcome of any posting transmitted at WOODWEB's Message Boards. Participants should undertake the use of machinery, materials and methods discussed at WOODWEB's Message Boards after considerate evaluation, and at their own risk. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages it deems inappropriate. (return to top)


  • Forum Posting Help
    Your Name The name you enter in this field will be the name that appears with your post or response (return to form).
    Your Website Personal or business website links must point to the author's website. Inappropriate links will be removed without notice, and at WOODWEB's sole discretion. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links it deems inappropriate. (return to form)
    E-Mail Address Your e-mail address will not be publicly viewable. Forum participants will be able to contact you using a contact link (included with your post) that is substituted for your actual address. You must include a valid email address in this field. (return to form)
    Subject Subject may be edited for length and clarity. Subject lines should provide an indication of the content of your post. (return to form)
    Thread Related Link and Image Guidelines Thread Related Links posted at WOODWEB's Forums and Exchanges should point to locations that provide supporting information for the topic being discussed in the current message thread. The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not to serve as an advertising venue. A Thread Related Link that directs visitors to an area with inappropriate content will be removed. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links or images it deems inappropriate. (return to form)
    Thread Related File Uploads Thread Related Files posted at WOODWEB's Forums and Exchanges should provide supporting information for the topic being discussed in the current message thread. Video Files: acceptable video formats are: .MOV .AVI .WMV .MPEG .MPG .MP4 (Image Upload Tips)   If you encounter any difficulty when uploading video files, E-mail WOODWEB for assistance. The purpose of WOODWEB Forums is to provide answers, not to serve as an advertising venue. A Thread Related File that contains inappropriate content will be removed, and uploaded files that are not directly related to the message thread will be removed. WOODWEB reserves the right to delete any messages with links, files, or images it deems inappropriate. (return to form)